Posted By: BVII don't understand your argument here, Peter. Your argument with a change in Heath's game is that you can only use it at the BP 1/2 game table. Well...I know Heath reasonably well, granted I am not writing his biography but one of the only places he plays live is the BP 1/2 game so why not tailor your game to that particular setting? I have played with him at Ho-chunk before and his game is suited for these two arenas because people have no memories and don't fold, tight players feast on these idiots. That doesn't mean your game has gotten worse, that just means you understand your surroundings. I'm not saying that Heath has a million gears and is some mad poker genius, but he's frequently underestimated, and is a winning player which is more than I can say for almost anyone else in that game. Nothing to me more hilarious than someone coming into a 1/2 game at ho-chunk and using a bunch of metagame (MEEEEEETAAAAAAGAAAAAAAME, that was for you Dawg) and setting up all these creative plays. Just play your hands, don't slowplay monsters very often and bluff carefully, only c-bet against small fields and certain board textures and you'll be fine. Of course there's bad beats too but...fuck.

The overall point I'm making here is I guess I just don't really like calling out someone for having a collapsing game when you won't even say who the hell you are. I find it highly likely that your opinion on poker is probably irrelevant anyway, until you prove me wrong...because as you have said, there's just so many damn idiots out there when it comes to this game. I am by no means calling myself a pro, keep in mind. I have a lot of improving to do.

I don't mean this as a personal attack, because there is no person to attack! The whole hidden forum name thing is occasionally funny as a gimmick, but when you want to have serious conversation, I just think it's hilariously stupid. I can't really take this seriously. Of course I can't take the BP forum serious in general so...oh well.

There are few bigger critics of the big game's players, (with some exceptions) and its effect on BP than me (I play it it once upon a blue moon because I think it's really easy to beat), but people aren't calling it the big game in an ultra serious context. It's almost always referred to as the big game in quotes for a reason, because people understand the humor in that. There are some players in it that think that they are big shots just because they sit there, but I don't think any of them are in this thread.

Now I'm going to bed.

Oh, and who is ready for monopoly night at BP a week from this Friday? I haven't been there in a while, but I think what they need is a bunch of drunk guys yellin' about "those goddamn red properties".

Ben you make great points. Its the big game and the kiddie game. I do get annoyed tho when a 1/2 regular sits at the 25/50 game and acts like it is inconviencing him/her. Damn I wanna play monopoly but I might get pissed and throw the community chest cards after dawg takes half my stack when a land on his baltic ave with 4 hotels. Wait I can play I am banned from poker not monopoly. Ifn ya'all will have me. Btw is it just me that has had thoughts Peter=Scotty?

I called it the big game cuz everyone would know what game i was talking about. I wasnt sure if i should avoid using the blinds to talk about games. there was some concern about that on the forum before, but doesnt look like we are getting edited anymore. Peter Pan, I would love to know where these games are that all this great poker is being played. And BTW, I dont believe great poker can be played at small stakes. Not that 1/2 are large stakes in the grand scheme, but for the majority of BP players it is. The core of Poker is risk/reward. Putting people to a test. You cant do that if they have nothing to lose. But I have been searching for a better game than BP in Madison, play-wise, and havent found one. If you know of one, id be happy to check it out.

Thanks for the support, Ben. I have always held your opinions about poker in high regard and have much respect for your game.

Do you see how that works, Peter Pan? I know who Ben is. Ben knows who I am. We have played together. We have history, so if one of us says something about the other's game or a particular play, positive or negative, we can take into consideration whether or not we think the source is worthy of consideration. I remember one night playing at the .25/.50 table when Fisherman Hat Lee said quite sincerely to Dave "The Phenom" Racz, "You're a good player." Well, the table burst out into laughter. Poor Dave. It wouldn't matter if he was the best or the second worst player at the table. The source for such a ringing endorsement ends up making it damnable at best. Who is Peter Pan? Is he David Sklansky or is he Fisherman Hat Lee? He seems to have an adequate amount of knowledge about who some of the BP players are and the various games, but I for one, can't really grant much validity to what amounts to less than hearsay from an anonymous poster. If it's true though, and there is some sort of general opinion that my game has worsened, I truly hope the rumor spreads. Hell, I will wear the "I play bad" t-shirt myself.

As far as the term "the big game," I included it in quotes for reasons of self deprecation. One could argue that it truly is the big game simply from the standpoint that it is the big game at BP, and there would be nothing wrong with that argument. I try to keep it in perspective though, not that I've played any bigger than 1-2 yet in this early stage of my poker career, but one man's big game is another man's penny ante. I use equal parts humor when I refer to the .25/.50 as the kiddie table or use the term "slumming it." Hell, Frank uses that term himself, and he runs that show when he isn't banned. Also, Frank, as far as your perception that when some of "the big game" players slum it at the kiddie table, they seem to consider it an inconvenience, I do not doubt that there is foundation for that. Most of the time, they're already pissed off that they didn't get a seat in the big game so this is going to be automatic. Also, I think some of the time, since they play the big game, they may not give any credit to the game of any of the .25/.50 players. This is a mistake in my opinion. There are good and bad players at both levels. Speaking for myself only though, I have in the past considered it an inconvenience since I have become spoiled by having a dealer and having a game that is run in a pretty professional manner given the context. Sometimes at the .25/.50 watching a particular person deal or even play (i.e. Fisherman Hat Lee -- GREEN LIGHT LEE!!!!) makes me want to gouge my eyes out. I wish I were a better person than that and could accept those limitations, but I'm definitely not.

.25/.50 is a trainwreck in a dumpster fire. people constantly misdealing, acting out of turn, skipping their deals.....green light red light..i wish i had money to burn id go sit in that game and make people pay for playing so bad.

anyways heath.....while im sure i could comment poorly on your game (i could comment poorly about anyones game if i chose, no one is percect), i think you are one of the superior players at bp from my little knowledge. however, who gives a shit what i think? and who cares what some anonymous asshole thinks? i always used to get pissed when people at bp thought i was bad...now i realize i dont really care about a bunch of idiots opinions of my game. theres about 3 people at bp (outside of bvi, dozo, and dawg) that id actually listen to if they spoke to me about poker (yah, i might be conceited, but w/e), and they certainly dont have a clue how i play anyways.

sigh

im working on spewing less, but i think being lagtard, spewing kinda just comes naturally