Posted By: areamantook the train to bustoville?

LOL, yeah, every train. The 12:15, the 12:45, the 1:06, the 1:22, the 2:34, the 2:35, the 2:36, the 2:49, the 3:14, the... I think there were 25 routes. The last train left the station at 3:15 AM Sunday.

i wonder if you play every hand perfectly and maximize value on every single hand if you can yield positive results...it has to be possible, minus the whole, playing every hand perfect thing, but if you could do such a thing, i think you could make money. youd have to make some kenny tran like calls and some phil helmuth like folds tho.

i guess this is assuming stacks are infinite and no one is ever all in pre.

ahh to dream.

Posted By: areamani wonder if you play every hand perfectly and maximize value on every single hand if you can yield positive results...it has to be possible, minus the whole, playing every hand perfect thing, but if you could do such a thing, i think you could make money. youd have to make some kenny tran like calls and some phil helmuth like folds tho.

i guess this is assuming stacks are infinite and no one is ever all in pre.

ahh to dream.

Ha, you are funny areaman. Yup, im going to say that if you play every hand "prefectly", and "maximize" your value, you are going to be rolling in money. ummm, duh. But you realize that what you just described is playing against all opponents with their cards face up. i think even Melvin can win under those conditions you have outlined!!!

If you play 80% of your hands "perfectly" see every goddamn flop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted By: DonkeeHoeteeisn't folding part of playing a hand perfectly?

For example folding 72o to a big raise, when no one else has called the raiser? (no pot odds as everyone says....)

implied odds can make up for pot odds if stacks are deep enough
and we would also need to play the hand perfectly postflop, ie being able to call people down really light when they are full of it on a KQ2 board and folding on Q22 flops when we are behind.

this is obvioulsy impossible, and the reason why people fold more hands than they play, because you get coolered and youre getting bad pot odds against a likely holding.

Posted By: areaman

Posted By: DodgingDonkeysTo me, "playing perfectly" is playing as you would if you saw your opponents cards. Or i take that back, playing by the book to maximize value if you saw your opponents cards. I take THAT back, there is still alot of player dependant reads you should make to "maximize" value. But playing perfect poker, as defined by Sklansky's Theory of Poker, is plawying as you would if you knew what your opponents held.

i would agree. and if you played 51% of hand perfectly you could probably turn a pretty substantial profit playing everyhand, albeit high variance im thinking.

I dont even think you would need 51%. If you knew what your opponents held "perfectly" a 1/3 of the time, an average player should make money!!