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CommentAuthorareaman
- CommentTimeNov 10th 2008 edited
Poker Stars $20+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
MP2: t10385 <-- thats OR
ackyspew (CO): t16309 <-- thats me!
BTN: t14936
SB: t13870
BB: t8402
UTG: t7580
UTG+1: t5140 <-- UTG+1 limper
UTG+2: t6441
MP1: t9286
t25/t50 Blinds
effective stacks, 100bbs for utg limper, 200 bbs for MP2
Pre Flop: (t75) ackyspew is CO with 5h 4h
my cards 54hh
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 2 folds, MP2 raises to t300, -
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- CommentAuthordozo5
- CommentTimeNov 10th 2008
Fold -
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CommentAuthorareaman
- CommentTimeNov 10th 2008
any reasons? we are pretty deep here and MP2 6x raised and turned his hand face up which allows me to play him pretty perfectly, no? -
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- CommentAuthordozo5
- CommentTimeNov 10th 2008
In order for him to turn his hand face up you would need to have reads on Villain or some previous experience....with a limper many people increase their raise size too largley...you put him on AK, 88-JJ? I think even AQ could show up here and if villain is smart QQ-AA -
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CommentAuthorareaman
- CommentTimeNov 10th 2008
well, im assuming hes doing this with a pair or a big ace, so i think his range is extremely narrow
hes never ding this with JTs or something because my read is up until this point, is that he has not 6x'd anything before -
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- CommentAuthorBVI
- CommentTimeNov 11th 2008
*points to the part of the thread where Dozo said to fold* -
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CommentAuthorareaman
- CommentTimeNov 11th 2008
really folding 54s in pos 200 blinds deep?
i dont beleive either of you. -
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- CommentAuthorBVI
- CommentTimeNov 11th 2008
Here's my case for it: when you're 200 blinds deep areaman, you're far more apt to make a lot of plays at the pot when you miss. Especially after you invest 6 blinds. It's fairly obvious the villain has a hand. You're going to have to make the best hand to win PROBABLY and if you don't I just feel like there's a lot of spots where you're going to semi-bluff and get raised out of your socks, or you're just going to miss or...hell, ya know, I just say move on to the next hand. I understand the case for calling, if you get the 5/5/A flop you're going to win a big pot perhaps. The implied odds are good with people being this deep. But I think sometimes we put too much stock into implied odds. Again, we play differently, but I think this is a fold. -
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CommentAuthorDodgingDonkeys
- CommentTimeNov 11th 2008 edited
Posted By: BVIHere's my case for it: when you're 200 blinds deep areaman, you're far more apt to make a lot of plays at the pot when you miss. Especially after you invest 6 blinds. It's fairly obvious the villain has a hand. You're going to have to make the best hand to win PROBABLY and if you don't I just feel like there's a lot of spots where you're going to semi-bluff and get raised out of your socks, or you're just going to miss or...hell, ya know, I just say move on to the next hand. I understand the case for calling, if you get the 5/5/A flop you're going to win a big pot perhaps. The implied odds are good with people being this deep. But I think sometimes we put too much stock into implied odds. Again, we play differently, but I think this is a fold.
I agree with BVIs break down. The idea of deep stacked is, when you hit a deceptive hand, you will be rolling in implied odds when the villain has a hand he cant lay down. That being said, you HAVE to hit the hand to get the value if he has a hand he cant lay down. Can't have it both ways here, you are tempted to feel like you can semi-bluff the villain into folding. So a hand like 5-4 suited is going to flop enough draws for you to be chasing, and getting in money incorrectly according to straight pot odds, but you putting it in anyway in hopes of those implied odds. It just gets you difficult spots where you could be putting in alot of chips significantly behind in the hand.
Now with a pocket pair, I CALL! those are easier to play, and have much greater implied odds than straight and flush draws. -
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CommentAuthorareaman
- CommentTimeNov 11th 2008 edited
anyone ever 3 bet here pre? just for the sake of arguing? then we would have control, bluffing ability on scary flops for villians hand which are likely to be half of flops if not more. if you have AK youre likely to flop an AK 33% of the time and if you have 99-JJ there is likely to be an over 50% of the time, QQ 33% of the time, considering his range, and being as deep as we are, is it horrible?
well, ok, i called, naturally because i like my hand and i do beleive that some of the time i can make the villian fold the best of it over a 3 streets.
i also like my positional advantage and my ability to play his range, which i think is 99-JJ pretty perfectly.
so BTN overcalls and UTG folds and we are off to a flop
Poker Stars $20+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
MP2: t10385
Hero (CO): t16309
BTN: t14936
SB: t13870
BB: t8402
UTG: t7580
UTG+1: t5140
UTG+2: t6441
MP1: t9286
Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is CO with 5h 4h
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 2 folds, MP2 raises to t300, Hero calls t300, BTN calls t300, 3 folds
Flop: (t1025) 7c Kd 6d (3 players)
MP2 bets t200,
now mp2 donk bets 200 into 1025 giving us 6.1:1, proper odds to call..
now im a bit confused here with his bet to be honest
how do you proceed from here? -
