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    • CommentAuthordozo5
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2008
     
    I don't think that example makes AJ the nuts, but I do understand what your saying considering the levels to be 10 minutes opposed to the usual 15. However, I still think in the OP you needed to either fold to his original raise, or after he 4 bet you needed to shove or fold. Calling is the worst option, which is why I don't mind the 3 bet originally but then to just call his 4 bet is pretty bad, even though you are getting a good price, since when the blinds are this high that represents a large portion of your stack, even thought it was only 6BB more to call.
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      CommentAuthorareaman
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2008
     
    Posted By: PockitAce-isThis dozo5 person seems to know what he is talking about in this situation. I for one am not going broke on this hand, as calling off all your chips with AJ is what you see many low-stakes novice level players doing (not saying you are a novice, I don't know you). I guess it's a good call post flop but setting yourself up to have to make that call is very rarely going to be a good thing. How often will AJ be the best hand here? Hardly ever. I believe that's -EV. Sure the other player got lucky, but AJ just doesn't do it for me in this situation or in any situation the board doesn't read J J J. Maybe I play too tight, I don't know.



    and for the record...minraises are weak. also, when this guy was minraising 50% of the hands...AJo is a monster. So call my reraise novice...but its not like I didn't have a read here.
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    I just figured it out. With all this poker idiot number posting, areaman and scuba are the offspring of nuclear500.
    Tell your dad I said hi.
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    Posted By: i hate fishI just figured it out. With all this poker idiot number posting, areaman and scuba are the offspring of nuclear500.
    Tell your dad I said hi.


    I can understand people not wanted to read and/or participate in a thread about poker strategy. What I don't understand is people taking the time to post how they hate talk about poker. Or that anyone who has a thought out strategy must think of themselves as a world class player. This is a poker forum Fish, ignore these threads with the numbers and poker lingo, and start a thread about Sasquatch diet food. You and Jersey can have a thrilling convo with the numerous screen names you guys have. You can trust me that i wont go in there, and read the 2 page thread, then post how you guys are idiots.
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    Areaman, I have to agree with Dozo here. Should have folded to a 4-bet. I dont mind the raise out of the blinds with A-J. i would prefer to just call though. You said this guy has been stealing blinds with a min-raise, and his range is wide. So what are you trying to accomplish here? re-steal 39k by risking 80k? But the dude 4-bet you. You are OOP with a vulnerable hand. given your position, and the fact that A-J plays badly OOP, i would have chosen not to raise preflop.

    I too like to call min-raises out of principle. They are just bad poker. However, there are a few scenarios i have found people who use min-raises are in. They are feeling their hand out, maybe they have top pair/weak-kicker, and want to gain info as cheap as possible. Then there are those that are trying to build a pot on either a draw, or the nuts. So min-raising in EP pre-flop to me is a sign of pot building. I have seen aces do it, and small pairs, as well as suited connectors. SO i just dont see the majority of min-raisers folding to your pre-flop raise out of the blinds. Now you have put yourself in a difficult position with a big pot, OOP.
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    Min-raising is weak only when you have a read to confirm it. There's nothing I like more than minraising a monster to induce an idiotic play by someone that just doesn't like minraises.

    Why didn't you shove if your read was to play back at this guy? You let go of your game and fell into his, a big mistake. Out of the 3 options you had, you most definitely chose the worst one. Either stay aggressive or get away, but by no means give in (like you did). Kudos to the guy who beat you though, as the mind aspect of poker plays a very significant role.
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      CommentAuthorareaman
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008 edited
     
    this guy didnt have a thought out plan...otherwise he wouldnt have committed 60% of his stack with A8o

    psychological? the guy was a braindead retard.

    he should have folded to my reraise instead of committing himself.
    i played the 4 bet bad, and i should have shoved or folded, however, do we not realize i was 100% right about the strength of his hand? HE HAD A8o, and got lucky.

    i look back on this hand and I should have put him in or folded, you guys are right in that aspect, but I should have 100% put him in and watch him call off with A8.

    giving this guy credit for committing himself with a8o and then getting lucky...you give him credit. ill call him a braindead retard.
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    Giving this tard who min-raised with A-8 off UTG and 4-bet it to a big raise any credit is laughable.

    Areaman, you were right that this guy "could" be playing a hand like A-8 here. But the only thing of value I can pull from PockitAce-is's post is, don't let the min-raise put you in a bad position. Is it worth 40% of you stack pre-flop, and to play a vulnerable hand oop? If the min-raiser has you playing A-J like this, he can certainly exploit you.
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    Posted By: i hate fishI just figured it out. With all this poker idiot number posting, areaman and scuba are the offspring of nuclear500.
    Tell your dad I said hi.


    START TRANSMISSION

    The paternal lineage you have implied, odious aquatic dweller, is indeed true. In my previous time travels, I have impregnated numerous desperate, inebriated females too unscrupulous to resist my boyish charm, wiry arms, pasty face, and hypnosis ray. The purpose of these many cuckoldings was to build an army of elite poker minds that would rival even "The Crew," not the world famous crew founded by Dutch Boyd, but the even more intimidating and sinster one led by the Bluetooth Cyborg and Fat Albert. Poker judgment day is upon us. Present day nuclear500, you must team up with your contemporary offspring and defeat The Crew in a series of poker tournaments that will determine the fate of the world. Do not fail humanity in this important quest. I have uploaded Sklansky's starting hand strength charts to our blog's FTP. This should be more than enough to insure victory against The Crew. Good luck and Godspeed.

    END TRANSMISSION
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    Time travel makes people wise.
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