my preflop play sucked, my postflop play was even worse...

- Level XX (5000/10000) - 2008/03/09 - 20:08:28 (ET)
Table '79267199 275' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: suave52 (208196 in chips)
Seat 2: kingster1711 (269573 in chips)
Seat 3: 1cczqt (62020 in chips)
Seat 4: burkow (159392 in chips)
Seat 5: JamesDean09 (167124 in chips)
Seat 6: cluless (111310 in chips)
Seat 7: kevnyc (331881 in chips)
Seat 8: Razorbeard (111536 in chips)
Seat 9: ackypoo (370280 in chips)
suave52: posts the ante 1000
kingster1711: posts the ante 1000
1cczqt: posts the ante 1000
burkow: posts the ante 1000
JamesDean09: posts the ante 1000
cluless: posts the ante 1000
kevnyc: posts the ante 1000
Razorbeard: posts the ante 1000
ackypoo: posts the ante 1000
ackypoo: posts small blind 5000
suave52: posts big blind 10000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ackypoo [Js Ad]
kingster1711: raises 10000 to 20000
1cczqt: folds
burkow: folds
JamesDean09: folds
cluless: folds
kevnyc: folds
Razorbeard: folds
ackypoo: raises 60000 to 80000
suave52: folds
kingster1711: raises 60000 to 140000
ackypoo: calls 60000
*** FLOP *** [8h Ah 6d]
ackypoo: bets 30000
kingster1711: raises 98573 to 128573 and is all-in
ackypoo: calls 98573
*** TURN *** [8h Ah 6d] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [8h Ah 6d 4d] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ackypoo: shows [Js Ad] (a pair of Aces)
kingster1711: shows [Ac 8s] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
kingster1711 collected 556146 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 556146 | Rake 0
Board [8h Ah 6d 4d 3s]

Seat 2: kingster1711 showed [Ac 8s] and won (556146) with two pair, Aces and
Eights

Seat 9: ackypoo (small blind) showed [Js Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces

Plus a lot of this is player dependent I guess, considering he opened up UTG with A8, and a min-raise at that. If you thought he was weak it was a good 3 bet, but then he puts in the 4th bet you have to decide there if you have the best hand. What are you going to do if you brick out the flop, as you just lost 40% of your chips with AJ preflop. You'll still have 23BB which is very workable, I just don't like calling off that many chips with AJ oop, you either need to shove or fold to the 4th bet preflop. He doesn't have any fold equity, so obviously your shove is getting called her, so you need to determine if you're beating his range, which is player dependent, but also he's UTG so you have to give him a bit more credit no matter how bad he plays. Just open fold AJ oop next time and wait for a better spot where you're the aggressor and have position, as you have a really good stack compared to the blinds and your table.

This dozo5 person seems to know what he is talking about in this situation. I for one am not going broke on this hand, as calling off all your chips with AJ is what you see many low-stakes novice level players doing (not saying you are a novice, I don't know you). I guess it's a good call post flop but setting yourself up to have to make that call is very rarely going to be a good thing. How often will AJ be the best hand here? Hardly ever. I believe that's -EV. Sure the other player got lucky, but AJ just doesn't do it for me in this situation or in any situation the board doesn't read J J J. Maybe I play too tight, I don't know.

only on days that end in y

Posted By: PockitAce-isHow often will AJ be the best hand here?

here is where i think youre incorrect. i think a/j is often the best hand here to an utg minraiser. his 4 bet minraise, maybe alarms should have been going off...

AJ in a 10 minute level tourney is the nuts.

Table '79267199 2132' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: meafish (50024 in chips)
Seat 2: MVP OF LIFE (84530 in chips)
Seat 3: WeedLacer (352502 in chips)
Seat 4: maxloving (63133 in chips)
Seat 5: ackypoo (414450 in chips)
Seat 6: NOXQZEZ (325656 in chips)
Seat 7: Iamanonimous (90356 in chips)
Seat 8: rubenrtv (466657 in chips)
Seat 9: arrogantione (280791 in chips)
meafish: posts the ante 1200
MVP OF LIFE: posts the ante 1200
WeedLacer: posts the ante 1200
maxloving: posts the ante 1200
ackypoo: posts the ante 1200
NOXQZEZ: posts the ante 1200
Iamanonimous: posts the ante 1200
rubenrtv: posts the ante 1200
arrogantione: posts the ante 1200
maxloving: posts small blind 6000
ackypoo: posts big blind 12000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ackypoo [Ad Jh]
NOXQZEZ: folds
Iamanonimous: folds
rubenrtv: folds
arrogantione: raises 24000 to 36000
meafish: folds
MVP OF LIFE: folds
WeedLacer: folds
maxloving: folds
ackypoo: calls 24000
*** FLOP *** [2c As 4d]
ackypoo: bets 55555
arrogantione: raises 64445 to 120000
ackypoo: raises 257250 to 377250 and is all-in
arrogantione: calls 123591 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [2c As 4d] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [2c As 4d Jd] [6c]
WeedLacer said, "?"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ackypoo: shows [Ad Jh] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
arrogantione: shows [3s 9s] (high card Ace)
ackypoo collected 575982 from pot
ackypoo said, "had a gutter"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 575982 | Rake 0
Board [2c As 4d Jd 6c]
Seat 1: meafish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: MVP OF LIFE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: WeedLacer (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: maxloving (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: ackypoo (big blind) showed [Ad Jh] and won (575982) with two pair,
Aces and Jacks
Seat 6: NOXQZEZ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Iamanonimous folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: rubenrtv folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: arrogantione showed [3s 9s] and lost with high card Ace