theres about 13 different points in this thread after i posted this hand that i described in detail why i did it.

youre too fucking stupid to read them, scuba. theres even an ABC list. but ignore that. because BVI is spot on.

There are tons of hand combinations in PLO high that have the dominated hand in a worse than 60/40 shape heads up preflop. For example AAKK ds vs AK22 no suits is 78/19. That's just one extreme example, but it demonstrates a close to AA vs KK holdem preflop edge. In general though, any live 4 cards have about 40% equity against even the strongest of preflop Omaha hands. This doesn't matter much though since PLO is a postflop game. In the microstakes though, I try to avoid sharing cards and being in bad shape. For example, if it's a situation where I'm pretty sure someone has AA, I will almost never call with an A in my hand, but I welcome a flop with with 9874.

bart hanson is pretty fucking good imo
http://www.pokerroad.com/cash_plays/8-20-08/
good radio show

Posted By: areamanwhich is why your 3 betting range shouldnt be limited to AA and KK, it should be 789T, etc.

good thoughts johnny.

Yup, if you had 789T, i wouldnt of asked why you three betted pre-flop. :) dumb sasquatch.

I know how the conversation went areaman, i actually pay attention. And my response was about your assestment:

"most people in omaha at 6 max dont hit the flop hard enough to continue with there hands against pressure....much like hold em"

I felt like you contradicted this assesment a few times, and infact, this very hand example contradicts that assesment.

Areaman: "but the reason this guy paid me off is that he put me on AA because at this limit thats the standard hand people show up with"

If the majority of players aren't hitting hard enough to continue, how do they show up with a pair of aces as a standard? In my expereience from playing PLO at BP, the game is a drawing game. As Heath point out, there are a very few rare cases that a hand behind pre-flop is less than 40% equity.

And the first 2 of the 3 reasons you gave for pre-flop raising were:

"a) take the lead, set up a bluff, yeah, he didnt need to put in that much money, refer to point to above..sometimes he doesnt hit the 2nd nuts on the turn and c/fs
b) deception"

And in my playing experience at BP, you can't bluff or deceive players as to your holdings. Or you can, but the opportunity is far less often than in hold 'em. So "taking the lead" is much less important in PLO from what i can gather. But i have not played .02/.05 PLO online, so maybe those players are much more sophiscated then I am guessing here. Maybe they arent just donkeys trying out this form of poker for low stakes. Or hold 'em players never played PLO before. Or bored students f-ing around for a few pennies. Maybe they are actually sophistciated enough to fold to your bluffs, and understand what hands you are representing. I apologize. I have said, im not that experienced, so when i ask why do you 3-bet pre-flop with your 8 high, un double-suited, gapped holdings, im honestly asking a damn question so I can discuss the strategy for this form of poker. And BVI responded in a way that I can gather information from, and you responded in a way that made me feel like i stole your slim jim.